Curse

Morat · Jun 07, 2005, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Sun Tzu is worshipped by people who know SFA about modern warfare. His stuff is wonderful for pipe smoking armchair generals but absolutely no use whatsoever in a practical sense.

-(Hyper)- · Jun 07, 2005, 09:11 AM // 09:11

The worst thing Anet ever did was listening to the racist fools who wanted split districts. Now we have 6 different districts with 1 person in each city. Woo hoo, I'm so happy because there are no French or Germans or Italians in here. Oh wait, I'm all alone now...

It was much better before, we had crowded districts, and full teams. Now I have to take henchmen with me all the time, because of the lack of players.

Why would anyone want this? If you're such an ignorant, narrow-minded nationalist, that you can't stand other languages, you shouldn't be playing online. Why do you have to ruin it for others who *gasp* have NO problem whatsoever with other languages/other nationalities. You know, just because they speak french doesn't mean they don't know how to team-play properly.

We all know the basic rules of play in this game, and mostly, nothing more is needed to complete the quests. I have done A LOT of quests without much communication between the players, simply because we all knew what we had to do.

You know, this is very ironic. Anet split up the districts to enhance the communication of the players, and thereby the game experience. But before the split, I never had any problem finding players, regardless of their language. Now, we all speak the same language, but the lack of players limits the use of the language anyway.

And to make this even worse, we are advised to play on the US servers? You got to be kidding me...

Great move Anet!

Here is what I suggest: Everyone starts out in the international district. If you have a problem with the presence of other nationalities and languages, you can MANUALLY move to whatever language district you like, using the district selector. In a way, the complete opposite of what we have now.

Ollj · Jun 07, 2005, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Yojinj

I changed from EU to Us server some days ago.
More ppl, more play, more trade = better for me.

Same here.

Screw the HoH favour and more trading favour, know whats great?
Actually having people in every location, no matter what time it is and how abandon this location is.
Its just easier to find other peoples to play with.

Im still in a guild that is mostly on the European Server.

Feli · Jun 07, 2005, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

Go through Lornar's pass. That will get you into the Underworld.

I made it to the entrance with one other player from the south. He a W/Mo and I a N/Mo, so the trip is makeable. Of couse I was not about to go inside with only the two of us.

I know that this is not as easy or as fast, but the favor of the gods, as far as I can tell, has no control over the entrance I mentioned.

If it is the huge Grenth Temple in Lornars Pass, it sadly IS controlled by the favor :/

john little · Jun 07, 2005, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by -(Hyper)-

Here is what I suggest: Everyone starts out in the international district. If you have a problem with the presence of other nationalities and languages, you can MANUALLY move to whatever language district you like, using the district selector. In a way, the complete opposite of what we have now.

Everyone starts out in the district their interface is set to. I don't see a problem with that. I've grouped with quite a few Dutch and Scandanavian English-speaking players, I hardly think language districts are 'racist'.

There is nothing stopping you going to the other districts looking for groups, the same number of players are playing. What splitting the districts does is make it easier for same-language groups to get together.

If you find it difficult to find groups, join a guild. It usually makes it a heck of a lot easier to find people to play with. Re-uniting the servers will just create total confusion and make things like the trade channel a mess.

Deagol · Jun 07, 2005, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by King of Fools

pretty sure that macedonia is not part of Greece at the moment.

You are wrong. Macedonia is the name of a greek province. There is also one of the former yoguslavian states that calls itself Macedonia, which has been pissing off the greeks enough that the state is now called FYROM (short for Former Youguslavian Republic Of Macedonia) in most international events.

FYROM is a slavic republic, while Alexandar was greek.

-(Hyper)- · Jun 07, 2005, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by john little

Everyone starts out in the district their interface is set to. I don't see a problem with that. I've grouped with quite a few Dutch and Scandanavian English-speaking players, I hardly think language districts are 'racist'.

There is nothing stopping you going to the other districts looking for groups, the same number of players are playing. What splitting the districts does is make it easier for same-language groups to get together.

Right, the problem is, the splitting of districts makes it much harder to find a group. If I move to another district, I will find the same lack of players, because everyone has their own district. I don't care which country they're from, what I do care about, is finding people to play with.

In my opinion, you should be put in the international district to start with, THEN, if you feel the urge to only play with people who have the same nationality as you, you can join a guild or move to another district. I don't want to run around from district to district forming a group. I want to be able to form a PUG quickly and go questing. Once again I don't care if I have Frenchmen, Germans, or Scandinavian players on my team, I just want to be ABLE to play.

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Originally Posted by john little

If you find it difficult to find groups, join a guild. It usually makes it a heck of a lot easier to find people to play with. Re-uniting the servers will just create total confusion and make things like the trade channel a mess.

Why do you have to join a guild? Why does Anet focus so much on splitting up the players? It was great the way it was before. If you wanted to play with people who only spoke English you just typed: "Looking for people to do *insert quest here* ENGLISH ONLY!".

Again, let everyone start in the international district, and if they wish they can manually select another language district.

Aetherfukz · Jun 07, 2005, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Well after reading thru the whole thread (and most of the nationalist crap that came up) these are my 2 eurocent:

I have kinda mixed feelings about the language-districts in europe. While it is true that is does even more split the people for parties and such, it also does group them kinda. In the old districts I often had parties where some french and german people where in. I am from austria so I speak german and english, but in a group I will and want to always talk english, no matter the countries. Because so really everyone can understand it. And I have to sadly admit, the first thing you hear from most germans is "ger anyone?"...
But one time I was in a group for a big mission, and there were 2-3 french in it. Nothing against the french in personal, but they just couldn't talk english in the mission, although they were very well capable of it. So I was clueing about what they would want to to, etc. That just plain sucks. Also I was in a german-only party once. To translate, the typical thing that was coming up in the chat when someone didn't heal ASAP or someone died (nomatter that I rezzed him ~10 seconds after it) was: "OMG you son of a bitch! I did your mother last night!", I just thought, well let's leave the kids to the german groups...

Now under the new district system I always have english speaking parties (I don't even join the german districts, maybe there are some guys, but they shall form their own german-speaking parties) - and I had some of the best parties with guys from spain, holland, sweden and other EU countries because they all WANTED an english-speaking group so teamplay was very nice.

It it true though that the later areas in the game like crystal desert are really lonely especially in nighttimes. But I think (hope) that will change in some weeks when more players get thru the game time after time.

I never tried the american servers, but I would want to, even if it be just to see the Underworld once ^_^

Where can you choose what world you want to play on in GW? And do you copy all your characers if you join another server?

-(Hyper)- · Jun 07, 2005, 10:40 AM // 10:40

Yes, some times you will find people saying "ger anyone?" or "french?" but this has never been such a big deal. Not for me anyway. Most of the time people speak english, or are kind enough to do it if asked.

These insults that you speak of are not only committed by Germans. I've seen Englishmen, Australians and Frenchmen throwing insults around all the same.

Every nation has idiots, I hope we can agree on that.

necroth · Jun 07, 2005, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by King of Fools

pretty sure that macedonia is not part of Greece at the moment.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/mk.html
use chinese strategy in HoH, Sun Tzu does seem to apply quite well http://www.online-literature.com/suntzu/artofwar/

Alexander The Great was Greek. Just because a Skopje, FYROM or what ever you want to call them decided that they are going to call themselves Macedonians does not mean that they are descendants of Alexander The Great. The slavs came to the region after his death. Why does he and his father have greek names if they were not Greek?

Aetherfukz · Jun 07, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by -(Hyper)-

Yes, some times you will find people saying "ger anyone?" or "french?" but this has never been such a big deal. Not for me anyway. Most of the time people speak english, or are kind enough to do it if asked.

True, but in all the parties I had with frenchmen they would just refuse to talk in english, although they could talk perfectly english when the party was forming together - in the mission they would just talk french with their 2-3 buddies...

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Originally Posted by -(Hyper)-

These insults that you speak of are not only committed by Germans. I've seen Englishmen, Australians and Frenchmen throwing insults around all the same.

Sure, but the one particular group I was talking about, they would just randomly insult everyone on the team while playing - although they didn't particulary play bad. I just don't want to read all the stuff in a game that is so very rich with fantasy atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by -(Hyper)-

Every nation has idiots, I hope we can agree on that.

Of course we can agree on that! ^_^

DrSLUGFly · Jun 07, 2005, 11:27 AM // 11:27

nationalism sucks, nationalists are ignorant.... we're all in this together

As for the favor and the new language districts, Europe wins now. Communication is essential.

-(Hyper)- · Jun 07, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30

I don't believe this district change has anything to do with Europe winning. Sure, communication is essential, but before the new districts, people just said they only wanted English speaking people on their team, and it worked fine.

Mormegil · Jun 07, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Underworld and Fissure of Woe are just the most hardcore PvE experience of the game, and they're just locked up tightly for 90% of the time to Europeans. Chances are, in the rare cases when Eu has the favor of the gods (thanks to some great guild like Out of Mana), it lasts so little that you could not playing at that moment and lose the occasion for another week (usually more).

Same for the Tomb of Primeval kings. Try to form a group in the US servers. Americans will probably be way more picky than Europeans, because they want to have a real chance. Out of 13-14 times I fought against an Eu group with an american one, I always won.

Statistics in PvP would probably make european guilds pale.

DrSLUGFly · Jun 07, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36

I don't remember ever seeing europe hold the favor before the change, now it's quite common. In fact, this very second Europe is contending for favor with America... 4 more wins (I don't even recall seeing Europe on the notices before)

King of Fools · Jun 07, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Alexander the great died without fathering any children. There is no debate about descendents. He has none.
I am not debating hellenism as a form of nationalism. merely clarifying that the the country now calling itself macedonia occupies some of the landmass of ancient macedonia and they are not currently a member of the E.U. as someone earlier pointed out. and if you had the link some 64% of them claim to be ethnically 'Macedonian' and speak 'macedonian' as their first language.
As others, have pointed out, cultural pride finds itself being harnessed by the ruthless power hungry in the form of nationalism, and always has underlying hostility to it. It is not something to be encouraged.
From what i have read, he was born in Macedonia and ruled Greece so both countries can claim him so can parts of Egypt, present day Iraq, Iran, and India. this site expresses the polar opposite of your view. http://www.mymacedonia.net/

-(Hyper)- · Jun 07, 2005, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

I don't remember ever seeing europe hold the favor before the change, now it's quite common. In fact, this very second Europe is contending for favor with America... 4 more wins (I don't even recall seeing Europe on the notices before)

This is more of a coincidence than a consequence of the splitting of the districts. We all agree that guilds play a major role in this, but I don't see any reason why splitting the districts would make certain European guilds change strategy.

Deagol · Jun 07, 2005, 12:43 PM // 12:43

The greek citizens of the province of Macedonia has a much better historic claim the name than the slavic tribe in FYROM.

I always thought the greek were pety-minded about the name of FYROM at a time where avoiding war in Balkan was more important. But this thread demonstrates that they (the greek) had a point.

To anyone who knows history this discussion is as absurd as claiming that Jimmy Carter is not American because the Former Soviet Republic of Georgia (FSROG :-) is not a member of the US of A.

Louis Ste Colombe · Jun 07, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

You guys ever think it might just be style of play and not lack of players for the lack of controlling the HoH? I mean no offense by this. But different cultures do have different ways of approaching different situations. The best example of this I can think of (that has the most distinct differences to use as examples) is when I used to play Halo for PC.

Players from America and from Asia always tried to do team play that always ended up with people going up against one another guns blazing.

What I noticed with EU players was that EU players would always stand back as a group and toss grenades as fast and as much as they could. This led to them being slaughtered regularly.

I've noticed this as well whenever I've entered the HoH or even played GvG. EU players "seem" to not be as aggressive as those from Asia or America. I mean, you have to think of it like this. Both sides are "trying" to work as a team. That being said...the side being the most aggressive is usually going to win. As is said, the best defense is a good offense.

Funny.... I have played MTW/ RTW for 3/4 years; in that strategic game, you also need some degree of agressiveness (or rather of initiative) to win. Most of the best clans and best players were Euro based. Some US players/clans were good too, but overall, it was way more challenging to play on Euro hours than US ones.

What does that mean?

Probably nothing, I just think MTW/ RTW sold better in Europe than in the US, and that's all there is to it.

It's true that within a Euro clan/ guild, one can face some communication problem: not everyone speak English, and sometimes teamspeak is more of a problem than a solution... (go try teamspeak when people talk in English/ Spanish and you're French... even if you understand everything, it gets tiring pretty fast).
In that case, guilds need to pay more attention to all the great CTRL+... GW got.

Louis,

King of Fools · Jun 07, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

actually, it would be akin to claiming that William Shatner is an American because he played in a U.S. tv show. anyone who know history knows that if you repeat something loud enough and often enough it will become the generally accepted truth.